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Messy Family Podcast : Catholic Conversations on Marriage and Family

Parenting is not a clean-cut, simple process for those who like to follow the rules. Family life is messy and unpredictable, but it is the greatest adventure you will ever have. We are Mike and Alicia Hernon, parents of 10 children with a growing number of grandchildren, and we would like to invite you into some of the conversations we have had with each other about marriage, parenting, and Catholic family life. Our hope is that our conversation sparks a dialogue between you and your spouse that leads to greater unity and intentional Christian parenting in your home. Listen in to our podcast and start the conversation as we seek to lead our families to heaven. Visit us at https:///www/MessyFamilyProject.org for resources, guides, links and show notes.
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Jul 14, 2025

“What do we feel is the first and last need of the Church? …the Spirit, the Holy Spirit…. He is her divine breath, the wind in her sails, the principle of her unity, the inner source of her light and strength.” - St. Paul VI

Summary

We can’t wait for you to hear this podcast!  The week before Pentecost, we did a webinar with Dr. Sean and Nicole Tobin, a Catholic couple passionate about helping families live in the power of the Holy Spirit. Sean is a clinical psychologist, worship leader, and co-founder of the Divine Mercy Clinic and Nicole holds a master’s in Theology and co-founded the Los Angeles campus of the Encounter School of Ministry with Sean. Together, they speak and minister nationally, helping families become more fully alive in the Spirit through healing, activation, and practical faith formation. They came and spoke to our people about how the Holy Spirit can help us be the parents God wants us to be and the parents our children need.  None of us can raise our kids alone!  Not only do we need our spouses, but we also need God present in our lives every day through His Holy Spirit.  Listen in to get some amazing wisdom and to learn how God wants to empower our parenting in a new way.  

 

Key Takeaways

  • Desperation with expectation is an invitation to the Holy Spirit.

  • Virtue does not come from us just “trying harder”, it comes as a fruit of the Holy Spirit.  

  • “What do we feel is the first and last need of this blessed and beloved Church of ours? We must say it, almost trembling and praying, because as you know well, this is the Church’s mystery and life: the Spirit, the Holy Spirit. He it is who animates and sanctifies the Church. He is her divine breath, the wind in her sails, the principle of her unity, the inner source of her light and strength.” Pope St Paul VI

  • Heaven has been invading earth since Pentecost… it continues the mission of Christ in us.

  • The biggest hindrance in our home is our busyness.  We have to notice and be sensitive to the Holy Spirit. Tune in and listen.

  • Children thrive in structure and routine, so teach them to give God the first and your best. Have them read scripture first thing, then pause and have them listen and journal each and every day.

  • Healing is an easy first step - pray for this.

Couple Discussion Questions

  • What’s one way we can invite the Holy Spirit more deeply into our home?

  • Is there something we need to surrender or ask God to heal in our family?

 

Jul 7, 2025

“We need to give God room to show up. Often we try to fix and solve everything without waiting for God to act” - Jonathan and Amanda Texiera

 

Summary

The number one conflict in marriages, statistically, is money.  How we spend our money reflects our values, but also our belief in the providence of God.  Do we truly believe that God cares about all of our life, including our financial needs?  How much are we truly trusting in Him and His provision and not just giving in to panic and fear?  In this podcast, we invited our friends Jonathan and Amanda Texiera of Wallet Win to give us some encouragement to give our entire lives over to God and believe that He cares for us completely.  They give spiritual principles, but also practical advice for families to reject fear and embrace trust.  

 

Key Takeaways

  • Remind yourselves of what God has done in your lives and invite God into your money, he wants to be part of your life

  • Give God room to show up - we try to fix and solve everything without waiting for God to act

  • Create financial oneness in our marriage

  • Live as financial disciples - play the long game

 

Couple Discussion Questions

  • Look at the fruits of panic and trusting providence.  How have you experienced these? 

  • List the ways that God has provided for you.  Where can you trust him more? 

 

Resources

https://walletwin.com/

 

Jun 30, 2025

"Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed." - G.K. Chesterton

 

Summary

Movies shape more than behavior — they form the imagination, the moral compass, and the heart. Catholic parents are not merely protecting innocence; they are cultivating virtue and wonder. In this episode, we explore how stories shape our children, how to choose wisely, and how to use movies as part of a rich Catholic family culture. Jesus used stories to teach. So do we.

 

Key Takeaways

 

Here are four filters that parents can use to decide what movies to watch with their children:  

  1. Content – Surface-level: language, nudity, violence, disrespect.

    • Different for every family. 

    • Talk about this with spouse

    • May change as the kids get older

  2. Context / Theme– 

    • Does it glorify sin, or does it show redemption?

    • Does this movie affirm the dignity of the human person?

    • What’s the movie saying about truth, identity, family, and faith?

    • Does it honor the sacrificial nature of love?

    • Does it support the family or undermine it?

    • Is faith treated with reverence, or ridicule?

  3. Beauty

    • Is it ugly?is does it nourish the soul and imagination?

    • Is this edifying? Does it educate, challenge, or cause me to grow and bear good fruit?

  4. Character Arc – Are the heroes virtuous? Are sinners redeemed?

  5. Remember: It's not enough to avoid what is harmful. We must actively seek what is holy, good, and true.

🧰 Trusted Tools for Parents:

  • IMDB parents guide - use this to search by adding your movie title
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt26743210/parentalguide/

  • Common Sense Media — secular, but useful for content breakdowns.

  • MovieGuide — faith-based reviews of current films.

  • Catholic News Service Movie Reviews — Catholic perspective with theological commentary.

  • Your Own Conscience — Don’t ignore the check in your spirit as a parent.

 

Jun 23, 2025

Motherhood changes you because it literally alters a woman’s brain—structurally, functionally, and in many ways, irreversibly. - Louann Brizendine, The Female Brain

 

Summary

Women are gifted in a way that men are not.  Women can hold many different tasks in their mind at the same time, see the needs of others, and know the needs of the household and balance them all.  Sometimes this can feel empowering, but sometimes it's overwhelming, especially in times of great stress. In some circles, there is a call for men to share the “mental load”, but is that even possible?  What is the appropriate role of fathers and husbands and how can they support their wives in this burden that they carry?  Listen in as we tackle this tricky topic giving both perspective and advice on rejoicing in our differences.    



Key Takeaways

  • Women are gifted in a way that men are not.  Embrace it and appreciate that. 

  • Reject a spirit of comparison and envy.  

  • Live a balanced life - you are not a victim and you always have a choice.

  • Appreciate your husband’s mental load

  • Create space for him to be needed.  

 

Couple Discussion Questions

  • How does the mental load affect each of us?  

  • Have we fallen into a pattern of comparison or envy?  How can we learn to be more grateful for our spouse and their contributions? 

 

Resources

Download For-Women-Only-Survey

Download FMO-Survey-Results

 

Jun 16, 2025

“True power is not dependent upon the invented honors of earth.  True power is that which guides, shapes, carves, and claims the souls of men.  And the souls of men are most often won and lost at the feet of mothers.” - Kimberly Ells

 

Summary

Does it feel like its harder to be a parent today than ever before? There are powers arrayed against the family - powers in secular philosophies, modern politics, and even our education system.  The roots of these forces are deep and have been growing for years, but we are just now seeing their ugly fruit.  We would like you to take some time to comprehend how these philosophies have affected your understanding of the roles of mothers, fathers, children, and the family as a social unit.  This podcast was inspired by and draws from The Invincible Family by Kimberly Ells. The world needs parents more than ever!  We hope this conversation inspires you to double down on being an intentional, and therefore, invincible family.  



Key Takeaways

 

  • What is the ultimate goal of socialism, feminism, and sexual radicalism?  To separate children from their parents by deceiving parents into giving up their rights to their children. 

  • Satan wants us to feel quaint, small, and insignificant.  But the reality is that if we are going to change this world, we need to believe that what we are doing is mighty and important, and IRREPLACEABLE. 

  • Children are the future. Every revolutionary wants to control the children.  Whoever controls the children controls the society.  So the parent/child bond needs to be broken for secular forces to control our children. 

  • First, it started with Dad.  Now they are working on unseating moms, taking her out of the home, denigrating having children, and being a mother.  

  • The best thing you can give your child is not education - the best you can give your child is YOU.

  • Women cannot do everything men can do.  And confident women are perfectly fine with this fact. 

 

Jun 9, 2025

God has selected you uniquely to be the mother for these children.  He will equip you for the work He wants you to do!

Summary

No one feels prepared to be a parent.  Even if you were one of the oldest of 10 kids in a Catholic family (like Alicia or Katie) or a family of 7 (like Suzanne) you can never really be ready!  The key to surviving, and even thriving, is stepping fully into your identity as a daughter of God.  All the love that we have for our spouse and children needs to come from a deep place of confident love from our Heavenly Father.  Listen in to this interview with Suzanne Bilodeau, author of She Loved: Resting in the Beauty of Motherhood, a compilation of letters from older mothers to their younger selves.  In our conversation we talk about actually NOT finding our identity in our motherhood, but in our daughterhood, how fear is a liar, and the importance of compassion for yourself. 

Key Takeaways

 

  • Fear is a liar.  Satan tells you that you are not enough.  God says - I made you for this moment. 

  • We can be transformed when we recognize that before we are a wife or mommy we are a daughter.  That is foundational.

  • We all need to have compassion for ourselves.  This is a theme found in most of the letters written for She Loved!

  • Don’t be a martyr to your motherhood.  Take time for yourself to reconnect with God and others.  

Jun 2, 2025

'Cause I love you more than you could know

And your heart, it grows every time it breaks

I know that it might sound strange

But I wish you pain 

- “Wish You Pain” by Andy Grammar

 

Summary

Every parent wants to keep their kids safe, but is it possible to keep them “too safe”?  In this podcast episode we dive into the overwhelming cult of safety-ism, which makes keeping your child from all pain and suffering an idol. Children are really “antifragile” - meaning that they need to have an appropriate amount of stress physically, mentally and emotionally to be able to become resilient.  Over-protecting and keeping kids from physical or emotional pain only makes them more anxious and risk-averse.  We have lots of examples of giving kids freedom, and the results aren’t always what you think!  Like so much of parenting, you need to keep in mind the stage of development your child is in to be able to expose them to appropriate risks.  You don’t let your 12 yr old wander down a dark alley, but you should let them go into the grocery store alone.  Listen in for some encouragement as well as tips and tricks to not keeping your kids safe, but making them strong!  

 

Key Takeaways

  • Do all you can to keep kids in Discover Mode.  Exploring is what kids do and it will keep them curious and confident.

  • Don’t keep them safe, make them strong. Children will get hurt, get sick, get disappointed, cry with frustration…. Because they are human!  

  • Attachment to parents is key to give kids a secure base

  • Fearful parenting keeps kids close too much and for too long

  • Children need play-based childhood. 

 

Couple Discussion Questions

  1. How were we raised?  Were we raised in a home that was in Discovery Mode or Defend Mode? 

  2. Assess our family right now in light of safety vs. appropriate risk.  How are our children being raised? 

  3. What can we do to improve our family’s Discovery Mode for the long term benefit of our children?

 

May 26, 2025

Our vows are for life, and we need overwhelming grace to live them out - Kevin Wells

 

Summary

If you ever thought your marriage was in such bad shape that you simply did not know what to do, this podcast is for you.  We were so blessed to be able to talk to Kevin Wells, the author of The Hermit: The Priest Who Saved a Soul, a Marriage, and a Family.  This interview is deep because Kevin and his wife Krista have been through the fire together and it is only by the grace of God that they both survived.  Our discussion includes the indissolubility of the marriage vows, how marriage makes you holy sometimes by bringing you to the desert, and the powerful role that our priests can take in shepherding our souls and bringing Jesus to us.  Kevin’s perspective is incredibly hopeful because he has seen the power of God!  Take time to listen to his story and use the lessons he gives to draw closer to the source of life for all of our marriages - the Lord Himself. 

Key Takeaways

  • When a person experiences shame, they always need an outlet for that shame.  Sometimes its themselves and people turn inward, and sometimes it is someone else.  

  • Satan is a total jerk.  He uses wounds from our childhood, when we were innocent victims, to beat us up and tell us the lie that we are not worthy of love. 

  • Every addiction is hiding a wound.  To be truly free from addiction, that wound needs to be healed.

 

  • When you are in the “desert” of a troubled marriage, the only way to get through is complete reliance on God.  He calls us deeper into the desert to rest, abide, and surrender. 

  • Our vows are for life and this is an impossible task.  It can only be accomplished by the grace of God

  • Priests are custodians of the souls of those within their parish.  When one of these souls is in error, they need the Holy Spirit to speak with firmness and candor.  Anything less is false charity and false mercy. 

 

Couple Discussion Questions

  1. Are there areas of our life or marriage that aren’t completely surrendered to God?  How can we surrender everything to Him? 

  2. Are there priests in our lives who are true shepherds to us?  How can we support and love our priest better?  

 

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May 19, 2025

What is the rhythm of leadership in your family?

 

Summary

Every relationship relies on communication, but when you operate as a family with many members, communication can become difficult!  Kids can get lost in the chaos, plans get forgotten, chores undone, and mom and dad are constantly putting out fires.  In comes the miracle of the Family Meeting!  Well, let’s rephrase that… A family meeting will not solve ALL your problems but it is a great step forward in leading your family and living life intentionally.  In this podcast, we discuss the REAL purpose of a family meeting (and it’s not about information shared!) and how effective meetings can satisfy one of the three fundamental needs of the human person.  Listen in to find out why you need to get this on your family’s calendar today.  

 

Key Takeaways

  1. FMs give you an opportunity to lead intentionally and gives children the experience of belonging, a fundamental need

  2. Start with Prayer and Engagement

  3. Present something briefly - your observations, information or inspiration. Keep in mind your family’s values

  4. Hear from the kids - This is key.  It is where they will feel seen and heard.

  5. Get on the same page - coordinate the running of the home

  6. Commit to it and make it happen - don’t give up! Depend on grace! 

 

Couple Discussion Questions

  1. How would a family meeting benefit us right now? 

  2. What is the best time for us to do this?  

  3. What would be the key elements for us?

 

May 12, 2025

If forgiveness isn’t hard, you aren’t doing it right - Dan Meola

Summary 

Many parents struggle with their children--not because of the kids, but because of the wounds they are carrying from their own parents.  The only path for healing those wounds is forgiveness.  But how do we forgive, especially when the hurts are deep and real?  In this podcast we sat down with Dan Meola, the founder of Life Giving Wounds, a ministry for adult children of divorce.  We talked about the importance of forgiveness,  what it is--and what it is not.  To define true forgiveness, Dan walks us through the seven marks of forgiveness that bring insight to this path to true reconciliation and healing. 

 

Key Takeaways

  • No matter how you have been hurt you need to let go of the grudge and forgive.  Unforgiveness hurts us, hurts those around us, and prevents our healing. 

  • If forgiveness isn’t hard, you aren’t doing it right. 

  • Christianity is the only religion that requires forgiveness, even if it is unilateral.  This is impossible by human standards and can only be done by God’s grace. 

  • The Seven Marks are:

  1. It is specific

  2. It is an ongoing process.

  3. Can be unilateral

  4. Means you still have boundaries

  5. It is a choice, not a feeling

  6. Enables you to let go of anger, resentment, and to cancel past debts

  7. Is only possible with the grace of God

 

May 5, 2025

“If we accept that God’s love is unconditional, that the Father’s love cannot be bought or sold, then we will become capable of showing boundless love and forgiving others even if they have wronged us” - Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia

Summary: 

Becoming a husband and father is the biggest change a man goes through in his life.  There is simply no better “life-coaching” than family life!  But when men find their vocation difficult, it is usually their wives that they turn to or who observe this difficulty and have a desire to help.  In this podcast, we hear from women who have questions about how to support and help their husbands overcome challenges at work, at home, and in their personal lives.  So many wives want their husbands to be the best men they can be and overcome vices of sloth, anger, and lust but they aren’t sure how to help.  Sometimes wives can take action, but in other situations, it's best for wives to be supportive and keep their advice to themselves.  When do you know which is right?  Listen in to find out!  

Key Takeaways

  1. Wives need to be very careful when it comes to giving husbands advice or correction regarding his relationship with work.  It is a source of great respect for men, so this topic should be delicately considered. 

  2. Men need to be needed.  If wives are doing everything and then complaining that he isn’t stepping up, realize that you are probably doing too much.  

  3. Overcoming anger requires introspection and being curious about why it arises within you at certain times.  Usually the “trigger” is not really your child, but something that your child is doing or saying that is touching an unresolved issue in yourself. 

  4. We need to take time to think about these things and give ourselves space to consider them and bring God into that situation so He can heal us. 

  5. If you have a husband who is at a different place spiritually than you, be patient.  Honor his journey as being different from your own.  

 

Apr 28, 2025

“You’re not just parenting your children… you are parenting your grandchildren”

 

Summary

Have you ever walked through a thousand-year-old castle or along a wall built by Romans nearly a millennium ago? On a recent trip to the UK, we were struck by the longevity of these structures—and the intentionality behind them. They weren’t built to last a season, but centuries.

In this episode, we challenge you to think the same way about your family culture. Are you parenting just for today… or are you building something that will bless your children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren?

Family culture is the invisible architecture of your home. It gives your children identity, belonging, and purpose. It's what lasts long after the rules and schedules fade. And if we build it with care, rooted in faith and virtue, it can be a source of strength for generations to come.

Key Takeaways

  • Parenting is more than just what is happening today.  We have to have a long term vision for our family

  • Your family culture matters more than ever.  This is where children learn who they are, where they belong, and what they are made for

  • If we want to build a legacy, we need to build with stone, not straw or wood.  Set up traditions that can be passed on to the next generation - things that are simple and repeatable. 

  • Consider the legacy that you have received from your family, culture, and especially from our Catholic faith.  

  • Legacy doesn’t happen by accident. It starts with small, intentional acts of love—right now.

Couple discussion

  1. Consider writing down some thoughts on the legacy you want to leave. 

  2. What’s one tradition, habit, or value you want to start building into your family this week that will move you closer to that legacy?

Apr 21, 2025

“Unleashing the heart of the Father is a power the world does not know.”

 

Summary

God wants us to know Him as a father.  We as parents are to prepare the hearts of our children to know the father by acting like him.  So when our children wonder what God is like, we should be able to say to them, “God loves you as I love you, but so much better”.  For us to do that, we need to know what God is like, so we can act as him.  In this podcast we break open the Word of God to share with you how God describes Himself in the Bible and how we can come to know Him better by reading what He has told us!  

 

Key Takeaways

  • God wants to “father” His people in the Old Testament

    • Isaiah 64:8

    • Jeremiah 31:20

    • Deuteronomy 14:1

  • Jesus says he has come “from the Father”  that He is a son

    • John 14

    • Matt 11:25

    • John 16:23 

  • Jesus tells us that WE are sons and that God is Our Father too!

    • Matthew 23:9

    • Matthew 6:6  

    • 1 John 3:1

    • Galatians 4:6

    • Luke 12:32

    • 2 Corinthians 6:16-18

    • John 20:17

  • Why does this matter?  Because we are to be like Our Father.  We as parents are to act like him, imitate Him, take on His characteristics in flesh so our children can believe they have a heavenly Father who loves them, will always be there and never fail them. 

    • Psalm 103:13

    • Matt7:10

 

Couple Discussion

  1. How does God want to be a father to us?  To our children? 

  2. Are there any obstacles to us calling God “Father”?  Take some time to pray into those this week.  

 

Apr 14, 2025

"Never be embarrassed to love your wife." – Chris McMahon​

 

Summary

What does it take to build a thriving business and a strong marriage at the same time? In this episode, Mike sits down with longtime friends Chris and Molly McMahon—financial advisors, founders, parents of five, and marriage warriors. Together, they unpack the real story behind balancing ambition with family, building a faith-filled home without a perfect blueprint, and making decisions that prioritize your marriage even when the world says otherwise.

From the mess of early parenthood and maxed-out credit cards to spiritual renewal and raising adult kids with a legacy of love, the McMahons share wisdom from 36 years of marriage. Get ready for candid stories, practical advice, and heartfelt encouragement for couples trying to do it all without losing what matters most.

Topics include:

  • Why full transparency is non-negotiable in marriage

  • How to prioritize your spouse even in seasons of hustle

  • Reclaiming Sundays and breaking free from the “frantic family” pace

  • Making faith central—even in business

And don’t miss your chance to sign up for the Family Board Meeting, a transformative way to lead your family with intention: messyfamilyproject.org




Key Takeaways

  • Put your spouse first.  Connect with them and make them a priority no matter what is happening at work. Talk about your spouse with love and respect always to others. 

  • Be a witness in the workplace.  Put up a sacred image, hold a high standard for yourself and be bold about sharing your faith. 

  • Never accept the standards of the world for success.  If you feel like both of you “have” to work to get ahead or buy a house, don’t accept that!  Think outside the box

  • Make time for the things that matter.  Be intentional with how you spend your time and money. 

  • If God has blessed you, be a blessing to others. God will give you a mission - respond!    

 

Couple Discussion Questions

 

  • How can we use our time intentionally to prioritize each other? How can we live in a way that puts our marriage first? 

  • What is the mission that God is asking us to go on two by two?  What is the particular way we can serve Him as a married couple?

 

Apr 7, 2025

The only way to not live constantly in the Urgent is to manage those things that are Important.

 

Summary

“How are  you?” “BUSY!” Isn't that the response so many of us give when asked this question?  How did we all get so busy and how do we get off the crazy train?  Parents have as much time as anyone else (even though it doesn’t feel like it!) but they need to be more conscious than anyone else regarding how they spend the precious time they have.  In this podcast, we give five steps that parents can use right now to use their time wisely.  Using the Eisenhower matrix of Important/Urgent we will show you how to manage those things that are Important (children and all their needs!) so we aren’t always living in the Urgent.  Parents must be careful on how they spend time because days turn into weeks, and then years, and then kids are gone!  Childhood is short and we need to be very intentional on how we spend our precious time with our precious children.  

Key Takeaways

  • We all need to evaluate how we are spending our time.  If you always feel like you are putting out important fires, then you need to learn how to manage those things so your life isn’t always “urgent”.

  • To make sure you take care of those relationships that are essential in your life, you have to schedule an appointment.  Put on your schedule prayer time, date night, special time.  

  • One essential way to live a balanced life is to create routines that will build good habits for you and your children. 

  • Make your time purposeful.  It's not always about the quantity of time, it's also the quality of that time. 

  • Keep in mind your mission!  The mission of your family is to confer identity, belonging and purpose upon your children.   If you don’t do it, they will seek that out from others and that is a scary prospect.  

Couple Discussion Questions

  1. Let’s evaluate our time. Are always putting out fires? Do we feel our life is frantic?  How can we identify pain points and create routines to address them?

  2. What is the best way to use our time together?  What are the needs in our marriage and how can we satisfy those needs when we are together? 

  3. How can we use our time better with our children? What would they like to do?  

 

Mar 24, 2025

"God gives us our children to heal and transform us." - Kyle Wester

 

Summary

In many ways, being a parent is less about our kids and more about our own formation!  When we lean into the vocation of parenthood, God can use every experience with our children to show us His love and to form us into the person He has created us to be.  In this podcast, we talk to Kyle and Sara Wester, counselors and hosts of the podcast The Art of Raising Humans. During our conversation, they explained four different parenting styles that we move in and out of depending on our life circumstances, how our marriage is actually the most important parenting tool we have, and how our understanding of who we are in the eyes of God affects how we relate to our kids.  This podcast is full of great insights for parents and we know you will gain from the Wester’s wisdom.  

 

Key Takeaways

  • Children need to be taught relationship skills and correct behavior.  The most powerful way they learn is by watching how you relate to your spouse. 

  • God gives us our children to heal and transform us.  To love our children effectively, we need to first receive God’s love for us personally. 

  • Every conflict with our spouse or children is about expectations.  

  • When our child exhibits behavior that is inappropriate for a situation, we need to ask ourselves, “What is this behavior telling me about this child?”

  • Discipline comes from discipleship and the foundation of discipleship is relationship.  We all must work on having a deep and rich relationship with our children to form them.  

  • There are 4 different parenting styles that we move through depending on our life circumstances.  We don’t always choose what is best, but we can keep in mind the goal of Loving Guidance and move towards that. 

  • Recommended books from the Westers:

    • Peaceful Parent, Happy Kids by Dr. Laura Markham

    • Easy to Love, Difficult to Discipline by by Rebecca Bailey

    • Playful Parenting by Lawrence Cohen

    • No Drama Discipline by Daniel J. Siegel and Tina Payne Bryson

 

Couple Discussion Questions

  1. Are we happy with how we are modeling conflict resolution for our children? How can we do this better? 

  2. What in our children do we see in ourselves?  Write these things down.  Do we love these things in ourselves? Why or why not?  



Resources:

 

The Art of Raising Humans Podcast Link 

 

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/artofraisinghumans

 

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Mar 17, 2025

“Lovemaking puts flesh on the vows that we exchange in marriage” - Byron and Francine Pirola

 

Summary

A few years ago in Australia, we met an amazing couple who we immediately wanted to share with our listeners.  Byron and Francine Piroloa from Smart Loving, are on a mission to make marriages stronger all over the world and they are willing to talk about that subject that few couples will tackle - physical intimacy.  We aired this podcast five years ago and it got such a great response that we decided to put it up again for all of you.  Listen in as we talk to the Pirolas about how and why you should make time for sex, how the arousal pattern for men is different from women and why sex gets better and better the longer you are married!  This is a podcast filled with wisdom, but also laughter and honesty.  We hope you will enjoy listening as much as we enjoyed talking to them! 

 

Key Takeaways

  • Anything precious and unique needs rules to be protected.  That is why the Church gives us boundaries in this area to teach us how to be appropriately vulnerable in our marital relationships

  • A person’s sexual prime is in their 20s, but our erotic prime is reached in our 50s. This is a culmination of our relationship and our intimacy that is built over time. 

  • Sexual relations can slip into the “recreational” category in our minds when we are trying to survive.  The antidote is seeing sex as a sacred communication that needs to be prioritized. 

  • Desire, arousal, climax, resolution is a typical male pattern.  For most women the pattern is different - arousal, or foreplay, creates desire in the woman.  

  • We need to work and train our brains to connect with our spouse emotionally, to be present, so the intimacy that we share emotionally and physically. 

 

Couple Discussion Questions

  • How are we creating a romantic environment in our relationship?  Where are we making space for marital relations?

  • How are we opening our hearts to our spouse in lovemaking?  Can we work on being present to our spouse and retrain our brains to focus on them? 

 

Resources

 

Mar 10, 2025

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.  Genesis 2:24

 

Summary

Unity between man and woman was God’s original plan, but the Fall not only broke our relationship with God, it also broke our relationship with each other.  But the good news is that Jesus has given us grace in the sacrament of Matrimony so we can have a oneness in marriage that would be impossible otherwise!  With unity, couples can handle anything life dishes out. Without it, even the easy things will seem hard. Couples need to constantly be striving for unity, because if spouses aren’t intentional, those marriages will drift apart!  In this podcast, we will give you three tools - honoring, forgiveness, and vulnerability - that you can use to start moving towards your spouse.  We need to intentionally use these tools to work towards the greater unity within the gift of marriage that God has for us.  

 

Key Takeaways

  • All couples must strive for unity - if you float along, you will drift apart

  • Unity was what we were made for, but the fall introduced distrust into the male/female relationships

  • There are three things you can do to move towards unity:  honoring, forgiveness, and vulnerability

  • On the scale of Affirmation/Criticism, choose to honor your spouse, even publicly to build them up

  • On the scale of Resentment/Forgiveness, choose to forgive them instead of being resentful of their shortcomings

  • On the scale of Detachment/Intimacy we need to choose vulnerability and openness to our spouse. 

 

Couple Discussion Questions

  • On a scale of 1-10, how are we doing in our unity? In which of the three areas can we do better? 

  • Which one of these three areas is the most challenging for me?  Why do I think that is?  

 

Resources

 

Mar 3, 2025

Vices are our disordered way of fulfilling our God-given good desires. 

 

Summary

So many of us thought we were good people till we had kids, right?  This is because kids expose our weaknesses and we need to be aware of them in order to overcome them.  Listen in as we reveal Satan’s plan for you and lay out God’s great plan of using our rightly ordered desires to develop virtues and live according to His plan.  

The desires that God has put in our hearts for dignity, communion, justice, and peace are all good, but when we try to fulfill them on our own, they can lead to vice, or repeated bad habits.  We do this because we are all fallen, wounded people!  But the good news is that we just need to tap into learning how to satisfy those desires in the best way, which is what God intended for us.  This is a snapshot from our video series we are doing for our Cana90 Fellowship this year.  In that series, each vice gets its own video where we break it down and show how we as parents are particularly susceptible to falling into it.  Join the Fellowship here for the rest of the series! 

 

Key Takeaways

  • Vices are our disordered desires.  Every vice has a longing or desire behind it and a corresponding virtue to help overcome it. 

  • Parents struggle with vices in particular ways that may not have been evident before they had kids.  

  • Envy is the longing for Dignity and it comes from the fear that we will not be seen, known, and acknowledged.  We get this from our Heavenly Father! 

  • Sloth is the longing for Peace and it causes us to choose a “fake peace” that comes from ignoring problems instead of working through them. 

 

Couple Discussion Questions

  • Where do I struggle to act?  What situations would I rather ignore than deal with? Write down some ideas.  Try them each day one at a time. 

  • What is one thing I can do to make this room/situation/gathering better? How can I be proactive? 

  • Think of when someone else was kind to you.  How did it make you feel? 

  • List 25 things you can do to make the lives of others around you more pleasant

 

References

Feb 24, 2025

A problem with disrespect from a child always goes back to a dysfunction in the parent-child relationship.

 

Summary

When our sweet children enter the teen years and adolescence is upon them, something happens that tends to cause parents stress and dismay - back talk and disrespect.  Some of this is immaturity on the part of the child and some is simply lack of training in relationships.  It is our job as parents to teach our children how to express their feelings, disagree, and even debate while maintaining an attitude of respect towards us and therefore, other people in their lives.  The family is the training ground for life!  In this podcast we will give you some perspective on the struggles teens have, tell you what NOT to do and explain the Three C’s of responding to a mouthy teen.  Listen in!  



Key Takeaways

  • A disrespectful child is, simply put, someone no one wants to be around. But the good news is that parents can change this!  We can help our child become someone we not just love, but like.  

  • Yelling, punishing, taking things personally, and debating with your teen does not work.  Avoid these reactions. 

  • Tweens and teens need us to guide them on acceptable ways of speaking to others.  This will help them be successful in many areas of life. 

  • CONTROL YOURSELF - If you are triggered by your teen and fly off the handle, ask yourself why and get your emotional life in order. 

  • CONSEQUENCES - It is our responsibility to help them see what happens when they don’t control their tongue.  The world’s consequences will be much harder than ours! 

  • COACH - We need to point our teens towards adulthood so they can see we are not treating them as a child, we are teaching them how to be an adult. 



Couple Discussion Questions

  • Are we happy with the way that our children speak to us?  Can we identify areas of difficulty with them? 

  • What would be a quick, acceptable consequence for our child’s disrespect?  Which one of us would be best to talk to them about this? 

  • How can we coach our child to do better? 

 

Links:

  • Link to Cana90 https://messyfamilyproject.org/programs/cana90/

  • Link to Beloved Event https://arrayofhope.regfox.com/beloved

 

Feb 17, 2025

A husband and wife may disagree on many things, but they must absolutely agree on this: to never, ever give up.

 

Summary

When we did our listener survey, you asked for interviews of regular families who have raised children through to adulthood with grace and courage.  Well, we have a treat for you!  A few years ago we met Brian and Joanna Simpson of London ONT who have run the Family Foundations Institute for the past 25  years.  They also have 9 children and over 35 grandchildren and they are a witness to the goodness of God despite difficulty and heartache.  In this episode, they tell some of their story, but also give wisdom to young families on what should be the most important things in your home and how to create a home focused on God and loving each other.  We really enjoyed our time with them and we know you will too!  



Key Takeaways

  • Forgiveness in the family is key - modeling it for the children with them and with your spouse. 

  • The husband as the head of the household is the one who carries the responsibility in the family, not only authority. 

  • Wise spouses realize that the best decisions are done together in unity. 

  • When tragedy and suffering happens in the family, as it inevitably will, God can still be present and make something truly beautiful out of it when we trust Him. 

  • Personal prayer and trust in God’s love for you is key to building a family of faith and prayer.  

  • When our conflict stays in the dark, the Evil One has more power. It is best to be honest and vulnerable, even if you don’t do it perfectly, because then you can work to actively build unity.  

 

Couple Discussion Questions

  • What things are important to us in our household and how are we communicating that?  

  • How do we support each other in our roles as husband and wife/mom and dad in the family? 

 

Resources: 

 

Feb 10, 2025

Summary

Have you ever wanted to stop yelling at your kids?  Be more courteous to your spouse?  Or be more orderly at home?  Enter Super Habits!  These are not just new things for you to learn to do, these are life-changing actions that will make you happier, healthier and more successful in many areas.  In this interview, we spoke to Dr. Andrew Abela, author of the book Super Habits and his wife Kathleen who explained to us how to apply this book to family life.  They gave us some great insights and showed us how Super Habits can be the answer to what we all need in our parenting and marriages.  And the best part is that these habits are already present in us, we just need to activate them.  Listen in! 

 

Key Takeaways

  • Every virtue is a habit anyone can cultivate, not just a characteristic or personality trait.  We can all grow and change. 

  • All new habits create new neurological pathways in our brains, but the advantage of Super Habits is that these are pathways that are native to us already, we already have the “muscles”; we just need to use them. 

  • Super habits do three things - they make us happier, healthier, and they have a positive effect on multiple areas of our lives.   

  • St. Thomas Aquinas has the best system of organizing the virtues! We all need fluency in the language of virtues. 

  • All growth in Super Habits is slow and steady so keep going! 

  • Virtue happens when we channel our desires correctly - not squash them. 

  • Growth in Super Habits is the answer to “helicopter” or “bulldozer” parenting 

  • We need to be aware of the full range of virtues for the full flourishing of the human person. 

 

Couple Discussion Questions

  • In what ways have we already developed some Super Habits?  How did we do that? 

  • What Super Habit will help us in our parenting?  How can we support each other in cultivating it?  



Resources

Beloved Event - arrayofhope.regfox.com/beloved

Feb 3, 2025

Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Eph 6:4

In this episode of the Messy Family Podcast, hosts Mike and Alicia Hernon celebrate their 10th year of the podcast and introduce the new studio, setting the stage for a discussion on fatherhood and leadership in the home. They emphasize that while fathers are called by God to lead, many struggle to understand what that truly means in a world that often undermines their role.

True leadership is not about domination but about serving, sacrificing, and guiding with love, following Christ’s example. A father’s success is measured by the unity in his marriage and family, and when discord arises, it signals a need to recalibrate leadership. Mike and Alicia challenge men to overcome passivity, a struggle rooted in Adam’s sin, and to step up, protect, and guide their families with intentional love. Practical steps for dads include pursuing their wives first, taking initiative in family life, loving sacrificially, and leading with unity in mind.

They highlight research showing that a father’s presence has a profound impact on his children’s faith, success, and well-being. While many men feel incompetent in the home, undervalue their influence, or struggle with passivity, Mike and Alicia encourage them to embrace the God-given mission of fatherhood with confidence, knowing that great men and strong fathers are desperately needed today.

 

Key Takeaways

Husbands are called to lead in the home because this is how God is going to make them holy and you were created to give first to be able to receive.

You know you are leading when there is unity, when you are challenged, and when your wife feels safe.

Men need to go in to battle and fight against the tendency to be passive or to avoid what they do not feel competent at.

Never doubt how important you are in the life of your wife and children - they need you!

 

Couple Discussion Questions

Are we happy with our roles of leading our family right now? How are we doing?

How can I (wife) support you (husband) in leading our family?

 

For more information on this and other topics visit: https://www.messyfamilyproject.org/

Jan 27, 2025

Families don’t just have a mission, they ARE a mission! 

 

Summary

When we hear “missionary” many of us automatically think of a single person serving in a third world country.  Then we think, “not me!”  But the reality is that all Catholics are called by their baptism to spread the good news of Jesus throughout the world.  We do that first and foremost in our homes, through the pastoral care of our spouse and children, but there are other ways we can spread the Good News to the world. In this podcast, we interview Tim and Maggie Glemkowski, parents with a heart for mission.  Tim most recently led the National Eucharistic Congress and continues to serve as the executive director of Amazing Parish.  He and Maggie share their story of the struggles they have gone through with their calling and the faithfulness of God through it all.  Their understanding of how to be a family on mission for others is inspiring and encouraging.  Listen in! 

 

Links:

Interested in taking your family on a mission trip?  Contact the Family Mission Experience at www.soltfme.org

Jan 20, 2025

Summary

Since 2018 we have been doing surveys of our listeners to find out who you are, how we can serve you more, and what your needs are.  We have never shared this information with our listeners until now!  Over the years we have had thousands of listeners take this survey and it's interesting to see what has remained the same and what has changed.  We thought it would be encouraging to you to hear that you are not alone!  The struggles that you have told us about are shared by other moms and dads too.  Listen in as we talk about the make-up of most of our listeners, what they told us, and what plans are for the future.  There were also some questions that came up in the survey that we responded to as well.   

 

Links

Last call for the survey!  Closing Jan 31, 2025  https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/T59LDRY

 

UK Tour - if you are interested in joining us for any events check out our page here!  

www.messyfamilyproject.org/uk-tour-2025

 

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